As the title says, first hand of a $30 turbo, and I'm dealt QQ in 2nd pos.

1st pos limps (20) so i make it 100 (1500 ss).

Folds to button who makes it 700

limper folds, back to me... What do you do here?

ruud wrote:As the title says, first hand of a $30 turbo, and I'm dealt QQ in 2nd pos.

1st pos limps (20) so i make it 100 (1500 ss).

Folds to button who makes it 700

limper folds, back to me... What do you do here?

Shove or fold. (Lean more towards folding)

Not helpful, but simply your only two choices in this situation.

i would agree with bainn here.

but i would be suspitious of such a big re-raise, he prob ak or jj which means ur way ahead or racing. tough decision tho.

Would be folding everyday of the week here. First hand and you have only committed 100 chippies. You don't want to cripple yourself at the start when you can easily regroup and start again.

Probably up against AK but is it really worth the race?

Fold if decent structure shove the turbo's

think i fold here, unless mbe ive seen raiser before and he's a bit loose...

Bainn wrote:
Shove or fold. (Lean more towards folding)

Not helpful, but simply your only two choices in this situation.

agreed, calling is not really an option for half your chips with overcard flopping half the time.

Its a strange one really - If the reraise was smaller it looks like AA or KK, whereas if the raise was all in it looks more like AK. Im really not sure what to make of this 700 business lol.

It seems like a dumb sized raise to me, and with it being a turbo, Im happy to think he's a bit of a donk who doesnt have AA KK or AK, and so i'm pushing here.

Did you shove and find out what he had? im going to go for 1010 or AJ/AQ...

tx all..

well i pushed, and got snap called by K10o

flop 10 high and he rivered another one lol.

Bit sick m8, but as I said. Was it worth it?

Keep on keepin on and gl at the tables dude.

ruud wrote:tx all..

well i pushed, and got snap called by K10o

flop 10 high and he rivered another one lol.

ouch ul m8

wd tho, you were right, and got them in good.

in a normal length stt id fold, but in a turbo i say shove.

only a fish would go in with this q

maybe someday if im bored ill stick up the math and explain why

is a very strange raise,i would prob fold and berate myself for being to weak when someone calls him with jacks and he shows k10,lol, worth keeping notes on these players for the future,

Overated wrote:
maybe someday if im bored ill stick up the math and explain why

id be interested in seeing that over m8....

wildrick wrote:

Overated wrote:
maybe someday if im bored ill stick up the math and explain why

id be interested in seeing that over m8....

ok, well icm dictates that in da first few levels, we need a massive equity advantage to risk are whole stack and tournament equity, and in the btns spot, its not unreasonable to assume he has a super strong range like qq+ak.

Its bascic the same principle why we dnt go round limping , callin raises etc, cause its not worth the risk.

the chips you stand to gain are not worth the icm "tax" so to speak to risk them in the first place. Tournament life is huge in sngs.

u need at least 65-70% equity to b risking ur chips early on in a sng.

This is also why u shud defo get holedem manager or watever for knowing people hand ranges. its v important in sngs. if you dont know there hand ranges then you have no idea about equity and your bassically just getting it in with the hope your ahead

if his range is qq kk aa aks or ako you have 40% in the long run eq which in early stages is not really enuf

im kinda hungover but thats the best i could write this early in da mrnin

hehe, good effort...

the thing is tho, its a weird situation.

As someone else said, if it was a standard sng, than its a fold everytime, but a turbo makes a lot of difference imo.

Also, its a very odd raise.

It looks too big to be AA/KK - as most players want a call of somekind holding AA KK here (and mbe raise to 250-400), rather than just winning 120 chips odd, and those who like to reraise big with AK here usually stick the lot in.

As u said, you need around 70% equity to shove here.... which u have got if oppo doesnt have AK AA KK.

Im not saying its an auto shove obv, but I also dont think its an auto fold. You have a top 4 hand, and youre opponent appears not to have.

Obv we cant rule aa kk out entirely, it just seems very unlikely in this situ.

Aside - if the guiy shoves instead of reraising to 700, then I prob fold, as it looks more like AK, or even mbe a panicky KK.

reraising to 700, half ss, is fairly daft imo, and therefore more likely to be someone with 1010/JJ AQ etc.

Also ICM doesnt take into account the advantage of getting a big stack early in a turbo sng.